Wednesday, October 14, 2009
Is Krugman Chiseling Out His Escape Chute?
In late August I was glad that Krugman had definitively said we were in a recovery. That way, if I turn out to be right and we are currently in the analog of 1931, then Krugman will be demonstrably wrong. (In much of his posts he has wiggle room, so even if things turn out the opposite of what everyone thought he was saying, he can parse it to death.)
So it was with great interest that I read his latest post:
But even if it's smooth sailing from here on out, Krugman can say, "See, I told you so. The ECRI people were wrong to look at past correlations, which are irrelevant. In a sense, they got lucky. But what their correlations didn't tell them--while my Keynesian models did--was that the recovery would be a jobless one, because the stimulus wasn't big enough. Even though unemployment fell much more quickly than most other people thought possible--especially those Republicans who aren't afraid of global warming but are afraid of deficits--we still had a period of prolonged misery, due to misguided fiscal fears and simple callousness. For those of us who saw all this coming, it wasn't much comfort to be proven right, amidst such hopelessness."
I'm actually pleased with the above. I think I could ghostwrite a Krugman column if he ever gets in a pinch.
So it was with great interest that I read his latest post:
Michael Shedlock has an awesome takedown of ECRI’s claim that its indicators (a) have successfully predicted turning points in the past (b) point to a sold [sic] recovery now. I’d add that this is a really, really bad time to be relying on conventional indicators.More Chauncey-ism from Krugman--and yes I picked that comparison for irony. If the economy is in the tank for the next eight years, he will say: "See, I told you so. Real GDP kicked up by 2q2009, so that technically was a recovery. But I knew it was feeble, because the stimulus hadn't been big enough. Why, I even called it as not a solid recovery as early as October 2009--when plenty of other 'experts' were assuring the world that everything was fine, much to the delight of the deficit hawks."
Why? Basically, because in a zero-interest rate world — the three-month rate was .066% last I looked — especially one that’s suffered from a collapse of the shadow banking system, conventional indicators don’t mean what they usually mean. Increases in the monetary base aren’t especially expansionary. The yield curve more or less has to slope up, even if no recovery is expected. And so on.
So historical correlations, to the extent that they exist — and as Shedlock points out, ECRI is claiming a much better record than it really has — can’t be counted on to prevail. There’s really no alternative to making fundamental analyses of the macro situation.
But even if it's smooth sailing from here on out, Krugman can say, "See, I told you so. The ECRI people were wrong to look at past correlations, which are irrelevant. In a sense, they got lucky. But what their correlations didn't tell them--while my Keynesian models did--was that the recovery would be a jobless one, because the stimulus wasn't big enough. Even though unemployment fell much more quickly than most other people thought possible--especially those Republicans who aren't afraid of global warming but are afraid of deficits--we still had a period of prolonged misery, due to misguided fiscal fears and simple callousness. For those of us who saw all this coming, it wasn't much comfort to be proven right, amidst such hopelessness."
I'm actually pleased with the above. I think I could ghostwrite a Krugman column if he ever gets in a pinch.
Comments:
I think even I could ghostwrite his column. Every problem is the result of inadequate aggregrate demand, CO2 is bad, Brad DeLong is good, we need public healthcare....
Or maybe he'll make like Art Laffer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3WjgKUf-kA) and regardless of what happens, claim that you can't predict the economy more than nine months in the future.
I just came across this Krugman oped from 12 days ago, where he basically implies that it will be a jobless recovery, and the solution for the joblessness should be more government spending.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/opinion/02krugman.html?_r=2
It's amazing how much he can say without saying anything at all. Notice how he doesn't really say if it will be a jobless recovery, or a recovery in any sense at all. He just says that "there will be high unemployment", and offers the aforementioned solution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/opinion/02krugman.html?_r=2
It's amazing how much he can say without saying anything at all. Notice how he doesn't really say if it will be a jobless recovery, or a recovery in any sense at all. He just says that "there will be high unemployment", and offers the aforementioned solution.
What do you think he will say when it is stagflation on a massive scale and not deflation in that scenario? I couldn't imagine that he could still make that kind of claim that the stimulus wasn't big enough when prices start to rise rapidly.
Cotterdan,
You're right, if there's stagflation, he's dead in the water. (Whereas if it's just a sluggish economy with high unemployment but low price inflation, he can claim vindication.)
But if that does happen, he could argue that the Republican fear mongers are to blame, because if they had supported a bigger stimulus, then:
(1) Real GDP higher, meaning there are more goods to soak up the dollars (inflation is too much money chasing too few goods), and
(2) Worldwide investors fled the dollar because the US economy was so weak.
You're right, if there's stagflation, he's dead in the water. (Whereas if it's just a sluggish economy with high unemployment but low price inflation, he can claim vindication.)
But if that does happen, he could argue that the Republican fear mongers are to blame, because if they had supported a bigger stimulus, then:
(1) Real GDP higher, meaning there are more goods to soak up the dollars (inflation is too much money chasing too few goods), and
(2) Worldwide investors fled the dollar because the US economy was so weak.
One of the commenters on his blog said this:
"In the Great Depression, as your chart about the monetary base showed, M2 collapsed, and the Fed was helpless because of the gold standard."
Did the gold standard make things worse?
"In the Great Depression, as your chart about the monetary base showed, M2 collapsed, and the Fed was helpless because of the gold standard."
Did the gold standard make things worse?
I hadn't even considered that as an argument. I don't think many people will be that ignorant to believe that nonsense. I really hope he does say that so it will be recorded for all of history to look back on.
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